But one thing I noticed was the true lack of basic marketing skills many of your guests had in the beginning of their journeys. It is a very different set of challenges. I'm a senior marketer who knows the marketing world inside and out, but I'd consider myself an 'early' programmer. One thing that was always interesting for me as a listener is that I'm actually the opposite of a lot of your audience. A lot of similar podcasts/blogs focus on a lot of fluff, but you do/did a great job of directing the conversation, and summarizing long-winded guest comments that may not use the proper business jargon into concise and interesting tidbits. Thank you for contributing something valuable to the ecosystem. I was just listening to an older episode of Indie Hackers today as a matter of fact. Neither of us were Realtors (I'm still not). We're on track to hit a $Billion in annual sales in the next couple of years (did about $300M last year). Today we own a real estate brokerage with 20 offices and are pretty much considered the leaders in the lake home sales market in the Midwest. When the used laptop market turned into the used VCR market, we shifted all of our eggs to our side project basket. This led to a conversation with my business partner.and we ended up buying a really good domain related to my vacation home search and launched a website for realtors. This was back in 2002 and most real estate brokerages did not have websites, and if they did, they were static and outdated. Well, the process of buying a vacation home was frustrating. So large that I started shopping for a vacation home (lake home).

That turned into a large refurbished computer sales business. We started with $600 each on credit cards. I started buying broken laptops on eBay, fixing them, and reselling them with my best friend.

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